The open carry gun movement and corporate security

Gun advocacy rallies raise a question for corporate security: Do you allow customers to openly carry?


"Business owners are being forced to accept legislation that allows employees to have guns in and around the workplace," explained Nater, who noted that Indiana is wrestling with this issue, especially after a shooting on Friday at a workplace in Portage. "Those that don't have a policy are going to have skirt around the law and create policies that specify what happens if those employees or customers brandish or threaten a use of gun around the workplace."

Fortunately, most businesses with a developed corporate security and risk management practice in place have policies regarding employees weapons in and around the workplace, and Nater says it is common for businesses to ban weapons altogether.

"Corporate security directors really don't want the guns anywhere near their business, because a situation can change so quickly," he said.

Curtis Baillie, CSC, a former retail security director who now runs Security Consulting Strategies, said that the issue can be a confusing one, especially for retailers. On one hand, said Baillie, most business owners would like to keep guns out of their stores, but they also have a desire not to turn off customers, who may face different gun policies than employees.

Baillie said that his recommendation is that businesses simply defer to the state laws, meaning that if the state allows open carry, business policy should also allow open carry for customers. He noted that it was something he dealt with when running security and loss prevention efforts for a grocery chain in and around Phoenix, Ariz., many years ago.

"Not everyone who comes through the door is carrying a gun, even in an open carry state," Baillie said. "Arizona has been an open carry state for a long, long time, and this issue of whether we should ban guns would come up from corporate from time to time. The problem with banning [the open carry of guns] is that you start to create tension. It wasn't a really big issue; it's not like every day that people had firearms strapped to them. We would predominantly find it in the outlying stores, outside the main urban area. We didn't prohibit people from carrying guns in the store, but we would maintain a watchful eye. Never do I ever remember an armed robbery in one of our stores where it was from someone who was openly carrying. It was always concealed, because the robber wants the element of surprise."

But both Baillie and Nater said the issue can extend beyond state laws and become an issue of liability. Nater noted that because OSHA requires businesses to provide a safe workplace, state laws allowing weapons in the workplace could come into conflict with the spirit of federal OSHA laws to keep workplaces safe. And while Baillie noted that OSHA doesn't spell out gun rights for customers, he said there are liability issues with allowing or disallowing guns.

"The question is whether a business has a right to regulate beyond the state law," Baillie said. "They are a private entity, and people who enter the stores are invited guests, and there may be duty to protect invited guests. It inevitably becomes a litigation question."

Baillie added that a regular open carry by a single customer conducting normal business and a rally from a group like OpenCarry are significantly different, especially in the amount of fervor that is created.

"It [an advocacy rally] has the potential to become violent. Sometimes things get out of line. Look at the volatile abortion issue, which has seen shootings and fire bombings. It has the potential to get out of hand when people are very passionate about their beliefs."

This brings us directly to the open carry movement. With a mix of protesters, passionate Second Amendment rights advocates, firearms worn on the hip and ammo carried separately in the pocket or even loaded in the gun, all placed in a busy urban business environment, it's clearly a potentially volatile mix -- just the kind of situation that could create a workplace violence incident. For the rights advocates, it's just an exercise of free speech, but for business owners, law enforcement and corporate security, it's an incident waiting to happen. As Nater said, "a situation can change so quickly," and that's why gun rights advocacy stances are on the corporate security radar.

Discussion: The open-carry topic is being hotly debated in SIW's loss prevention forums (see open carry discussion thread).